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    Σαν πας στην Καλαμάτα .... που λέει και το γνωστό τραγούδι .... θα βρεις και δίκτυο 5G

    Όσο για τους άπιστους θωμάδες, που αποκαλούν ψεκασμένους τους ειδικούς και τις έρευνες που έχουν γίνει για την επικινδυνότητα της ακτινοβολίας από το 5G, αποδεικνύει το θεώρημα του Άινσταϊν, ότι εκτός του σύμπαντος και η ανθρώπινη βλακεία είναι άπειρη
    Το πε το πε ο παπαγάλος, πως σε έχει κλέψει άλλος

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    Σαν πας στην Καλαμάτα .... που λέει και το γνωστό τραγούδι .... θα βρεις και δίκτυο 5G

    Όσο για τους άπιστους θωμάδες, που αποκαλούν ψεκασμένους τους ειδικούς και τις έρευνες που έχουν γίνει για την επικινδυνότητα της ακτινοβολίας από το 5G, αποδεικνύει το θεώρημα του Άινσταϊν, ότι εκτός του σύμπαντος και η ανθρώπινη βλακεία είναι άπειρη
    Αμφίδρομο το φαινόμενο

    Κανά λίνκ ?

    Παρακαλώ όχι από χριστιανική αίρεση ή μακεδονομάχους ντυμένους τσολιάδες.
    No fm radio ?
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    Sorry no phone.

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    Οπτική ίνα και wifi είναι και θα είναι άρχοντες
    Εχεις δοκιμάσει wifi πάνω από οπτική ίνα ?
    Και ασύρματα link κάνεις
    Και γλυτώνεις πολλά λεφτά και πραγματικά απεριόριστα έχεις

    Εκτός κι αν η turkcell το σπρώξει
    Πάρε το G σου και τα giga σου και τράβα σ'ένα σωρό νησιά και ηπειρωτικά μέρη,κι αν βρείς σήμα ( ή αξιοπρεπείς ταχύτητες) πες μου.

    Οσο το wifi μας γλυτώνει από 3G/4G/5G, εγώ παραμένω..

    Κι αν αυτά τα "πολλά μικρά Wifi AC hotspots" λειτουργήσουν σαν το wifi fon του ΟΤΕ, φέξε μου και γλύστρησα.
    Εσύ (και άλλοι) συνδέεσαι με 5G με το hotspot. To hotspot με τι συνδέεται στο internet ?
    Ρε συ υποθετικά μίλησα.
    Και επειδή και συ υποθετικά μιλάς, δεν υπάρχει τέτοιο πράγμα στην Ελλάδα.
    Το ότι στην Ελλάδα το 4G για απλή χρήση browsing είναι μια χαρά φτηνό και πιο γρήγορο δεν αμφισβητείται.
    Απλά με το 5G προφανώς και η τάση αυτή θα μεγαλώσει.

    Τα νησιά και τα λοιπά που λες όπου πήγα ήμουν μια χαρά. Ακόμη και σε παραλίες με EDGE GPRS ήμουν πολύ καλύτερα από το να ζητούσα τον ανύπαρκτο πάροχο να φέρει DSLAM μέχρι εκεί.
    Εδώ δίπλα σε πόλη δεν φέρνει στην Βόρεια Ελλάδα και μένεις ή με δορυφορικό ή με 4G.

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    Αμφίδρομο το φαινόμενο

    Κανά λίνκ ?

    Παρακαλώ όχι από χριστιανική αίρεση ή μακεδονομάχους ντυμένους τσολιάδες.
    Τζάμπα επιμένεις
    Τα άρθρα έχουν μελέτες όπως η αντίστοιχη του αντιεμβολιαστικού κινήματος του Andrew Wakefield
    Το δικαίωμά σου να μιλάς δεν περιλαμβάνει την υποχρέωσή μου να σε πάρω στα σοβαρά.

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    Ρε συ υποθετικά μίλησα.
    Και επειδή και συ υποθετικά μιλάς, δεν υπάρχει τέτοιο πράγμα στην Ελλάδα.
    Το ότι στην Ελλάδα το 4G για απλή χρήση browsing είναι μια χαρά φτηνό και πιο γρήγορο δεν αμφισβητείται.
    Απλά με το 5G προφανώς και η τάση αυτή θα μεγαλώσει.

    Τα νησιά και τα λοιπά που λες όπου πήγα ήμουν μια χαρά. Ακόμη και σε παραλίες με EDGE GPRS ήμουν πολύ καλύτερα από το να ζητούσα τον ανύπαρκτο πάροχο να φέρει DSLAM μέχρι εκεί.
    Εδώ δίπλα σε πόλη δεν φέρνει στην Βόρεια Ελλάδα και μένεις ή με δορυφορικό ή με 4G.

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    Τζάμπα επιμένεις
    Τα άρθρα έχουν μελέτες όπως η αντίστοιχη του αντιεμβολιαστικού κινήματος του Andrew Wakefield
    Υπάρχουνε πλέον beach bar με 200άρες vdsl και μερακλήδες

    ΥΓ
    Και κάτι ubiquiti που πιάνουν μακριά από την ηχορύπανση
    Και το ηχοσύστημα τρέχει ubuntu
    Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το μέλος dimitri_ns : 16-07-19 στις 10:27.
    No fm radio ?
    No headphone jack ?

    Sorry no phone.

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    Δεν υπάρχει κάποια παραπληροφόρηση, η θέση της επιστήμης είναι σαφής. Οι ακτινοβολίες ήδη από το 2G είναι επιβλαβείς. Διασπούν την κυτταρική μεμβράνη και επηρεάζουν φυτά, ζώα και ανθρώπους. Από εκεί και πέρα, τα υπόλοιπα είναι πολιτικές αποφάσεις.
    Peer reviewed papers or GTFO.
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

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    >Κάθε σταθμός βάσης 5G θα περιέχει εκατοντάδες ή χιλιάδες κεραίες που στοχεύουν πολλαπλές ακτίνες λέιζερ ταυτόχρονα σε όλα τα >κινητά τηλέφωνα και τις συσκευές χρηστών στην περιοχή εξυπηρέτησης.

    Μουαχαχαχαχαχα Σκετη επιστημη το αρθρο.
    Μετα θα προσγειωθει το enterprise στην πλατεια της καλαματας, θα βγει ο Mr Spok να μοιρασει αυτογραφα, θα ψαλλουν ολοι μαζι το τη Υπερμαχω στρατηγο και μετα θα αρχισουν να πεφτουν σαν τις μυγες στα παγκακια χτυπημενοι απο την ακτινοβολια του 5g

    Τα κουτια με τις πανες θα εχουν λεει τσιπακι που θα εκπεμπει. (lazer προφανως).
    Μακακιες... Αμα δεν βγει πανα που να βιοαποδομει το "περιεχομενο" και να μην θελει αλλαγμα δεν εχουμε κανει δουλεια.


    Εξαλλου αποδειχθηκε οτι λεγοντας Λιακοπουλιες στρογγυλεμενες, μπαινεις στη βουλη και τσιμπας χρημα, αυτοκινητουμπα βουλευτικη και μπατσο συνοδο οδηγο.
    Οποτε αν πεις οτι το 5g κανει ολα αυτα, ε τοτε πας απευθειας για πρωθυπουργος. (ο πολωνος προφανως ειναι μπροστα)
    Το beamforming έγινε "ακτίνες laser" τώρα;

    Και ξαναρωτάω: είναι επικίνδυνο το 5G αν μιλάμε για πυκνό δίκτυο χαμηλής ισχύος;

    Αν ναι, τότε το WiFi (που ήδη υπάρχει σχεδόν παντού) δεν είναι εξίσου "επικίνδυνο";

    Και έστω ότι είναι αμφότερα επικίνδυνα, τι σκοπεύουν να κάνουν οι "επιτροπές πολιτών"; Θα μπουκάρουν σε σπίτια να ξηλώνουν συσκευές από την πρίζα;

    Όχι τίποτα άλλο, αλλά τελευταία φορά που κοίταξα το άσυλο της οικίας προστατεύεται από το Σύνταγμα.

    Ειδάλλως ας ισχυριστώ κι εγώ ότι με ζαλίζει το WiFi του γείτονα και ας μπουκάρω σπίτι του να μοιράσω δικαιοσύνη χωρίς εισαγγελική εντολή...

    Ξαναλέω: μιλάω για pico/femtocells που θα έχει ο καθένας σπίτι του, όχι για macrocells σε ταράτσες που βγάζουν μάτι και κάνουν trigger διάφορους να κάνουν επανάσταση εναντίον τους.

    Περιμένω να ακούσω απόψεις.

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    Πόσο κρίμα η παραπληροφόρηση πάει σύννεφο από μη-ιατρούς και μη φυσικούς.
    Το μόνο επικίνδυνο με το 5G είναι το privacy. Τα ψεκασμένα περί ακτινοβολίας τα βαριέμαι και να τα αναλύω.
    Το σίγουρο είναι πως θα μας γλιτώσει από το Wifi κάποια στιγμή. Ήδη πολλοί με πολλά MB έχουμε ξεχάσει το WIfi παρά μόνο σε συγκεκριμένες αναγκες.
    Φανταστείτε με το 5G.

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    Αν θέλετε να το πω και αλλιώς, το 5G είναι πολλά μικρά Wifi AC hotspots ανά 100 μέτρα μέσα στην πόλη.
    Ήδη έχουμε πολλά περισσότερα από 1 ανά 100 μέτρα.
    Πολύ σωστά, αλλά κράτα μικρό καλάθι για unlimited 5G (ειδικά στην Ελλάδα).

    Το WiFi πάντα θα έχει την χρήση του και φυσικά χωρίς caps.

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    Οσο το wifi μας γλυτώνει από 3G/4G/5G, εγώ παραμένω..
    Το WiFi σε γλιτώνει από ακτινοβολίες;

    Και μια τελευταία ερώτηση: εφόσον το 5G δίκτυο φτιάχνεται από την πλέμπα (από εργάτες μέχρι μηχανικούς) και αρκετοί έχουν οικογένειες/παιδιά, γιατί δεν αντιστέκονται αν όντως μιλάμε για επικίνδυνη ακτινοβολία (επιπέδου ραδιενέργειας); Δεν σκέφτονται τους δικούς τους;

    Μου θυμίζει τα (κρυφά) ψεκαστικά στα αεροπλάνα, τα οποία ουδείς τα έχει δει (μηχανικοί/πιλότοι αεροσκαφών έχουν κι αυτοί οικογένειες, άρα πρέπει να νοιάζονται, σωστά?)... ωραία η θεωρία, αλλά να δούμε και στην πράξη ποιός τα τροφοδοτεί με αυτό το μυστικό υγρό ψεκασμού. Χώρια ότι ο ψεκασμός θα φτάσει και στην ελίτ (αυτοί έχουν ανοσία άραγε?).

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    Αυτοί στο λίνκ πιο πάνω έχουν και το wifi μέσα στα κακά, δεν μείνανε μόνο σε 2g/3g/4g/5g
    Wetheundersigned,morethan180scientistsanddoctorsfrom36countries,recommendamoratoriumontheroll-outofthefifthgeneration,5G,fortelecommunicationuntilpotentialhazardsforhumanhealthandtheenvironmenthavebeenfullyinvestig atedbyscientistsindependentfromindustry.5Gwillsubstantiallyincreaseexposuretoradiofrequencyelectromagneticfields(RF-EMF)ontopofthe2G,3G,4G,Wi-Fi,etc.fortelecommunicationsalreadyinplace.RF-EMFhasbeenproventobeharmfulforhu-mansandtheenvironment.
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    Peer reviewed papers or GTFO.
    Απαντώ σε αυτό το μήνυμα γιατί ξεχειλίζει από ευγένεια αλλά αφορά όλους που βαριούνται να κάνουν μια αναζήτηση σε peer reviewed journals.

    Γενικά (ένα μέρος) για EMF/EMR:

    Comments on the US National Toxicology Program technical reports on toxicology and carcinogenesis study in rats exposed to whole-body radiofrequency radiation at 900 MHz and in mice exposed to whole-body radiofrequency radiation at 1,900 MHz.
    Spoiler:
    Abstract

    During the use of handheld mobile and cordless phones, the brain is the main target of radiofrequency (RF) radiation. An increased risk of developing glioma and acoustic neuroma has been found in human epidemiological studies. Primarily based on these findings, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) at the World Health Organization (WHO) classified in May, 2011 RF radiation at the frequency range of 30 kHz‑300 GHz as a 'possible' human carcinogen, Group 2B. A carcinogenic potential for RF radiation in animal studies was already published in 1982. This has been confirmed over the years, more recently in the Ramazzini Institute rat study. An increased incidence of glioma in the brain and malignant schwannoma in the heart was found in the US National Toxicology Program (NTP) study on rats and mice. The NTP final report is to be published; however, the extended reports are published on the internet for evaluation and are reviewed herein in more detail in relation to human epidemiological studies. Thus, the main aim of this study was to compare earlier human epidemiological studies with NTP findings, including a short review of animal studies. We conclude that there is clear evidence that RF radiation is a human carcinogen, causing glioma and vestibular schwannoma (acoustic neuroma). There is some evidence of an increased risk of developing thyroid cancer, and clear evidence that RF radiation is a multi‑site carcinogen. Based on the Preamble to the IARC Monographs, RF radiation should be classified as carcinogenic to humans, Group 1.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30365129

    Evaluation of Mobile Phone and Cordless Phone Use and Glioma Risk Using the Bradford Hill Viewpoints from 1965 on Association or Causation
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    Objective. Bradford Hill’s viewpoints from 1965 on association or causation were used on glioma risk and use of mobile or cordless phones. Methods. All nine viewpoints were evaluated based on epidemiology and laboratory studies. Results. Strength: meta-analysis of case-control studies gave odds ratio (OR) = 1.90, 95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.31–2.76 with highest cumulative exposure. Consistency: the risk increased with latency, meta-analysis gave in the 10+ years’ latency group OR = 1.62, 95% CI = 1.20–2.19. Specificity: increased risk for glioma was in the temporal lobe. Using meningioma cases as comparison group still increased the risk. Temporality: highest risk was in the 20+ years’ latency group, OR = 2.01, 95% CI =1.41–2.88, for wireless phones. Biological gradient: cumulative use of wireless phones increased the risk. Plausibility: animal studies showed an increased incidence of glioma and malignant schwannoma in rats exposed to radiofrequency (RF) radiation. There is increased production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) from RF radiation. Coherence: there is a change in the natural history of glioma and increasing incidence. Experiment: antioxidants reduced ROS production from RF radiation. Analogy: there is an increased risk in subjects exposed to extremely low-frequency electromagnetic fields. Conclusion. RF radiation should be regarded as a human carcinogen causing glioma.

    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2017/9218486/

    Thermal and non-thermal health effects of low intensity non-ionizing radiation: An international perspective.
    Spoiler:
    Abstract

    Exposure to low frequency and radiofrequency electromagnetic fields at low intensities poses a significant health hazard that has not been adequately addressed by national and international organizations such as the World Health Organization. There is strong evidence that excessive exposure to mobile phone-frequencies over long periods of time increases the risk of brain cancer both in humans and animals. The mechanism(s) responsible include induction of reactive oxygen species, gene expression alteration and DNA damage through both epigenetic and genetic processes. In vivo and in vitro studies demonstrate adverse effects on male and female reproduction, almost certainly due to generation of reactive oxygen species. There is increasing evidence the exposures can result in neurobehavioral decrements and that some individuals develop a syndrome of "electro-hypersensitivity" or "microwave illness", which is one of several syndromes commonly categorized as "idiopathic environmental intolerance". While the symptoms are non-specific, new biochemical indicators and imaging techniques allow diagnosis that excludes the symptoms as being only psychosomatic. Unfortunately standards set by most national and international bodies are not protective of human health. This is a particular concern in children, given the rapid expansion of use of wireless technologies, the greater susceptibility of the developing nervous system, the hyperconductivity of their brain tissue, the greater penetration of radiofrequency radiation relative to head size and their potential for a longer lifetime exposure.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30025338

    Polarization: A Key Difference between Man-made and Natural Electromagnetic Fields, in regard to Biological Activity.
    Spoiler:
    Abstract

    In the present study we analyze the role of polarization in the biological activity of Electromagnetic Fields (EMFs)/Electromagnetic Radiation (EMR). All types of man-made EMFs/EMR - in contrast to natural EMFs/EMR - are polarized. Polarized EMFs/EMR can have increased biological activity, due to: 1) Ability to produce constructive interference effects and amplify their intensities at many locations. 2) Ability to force all charged/polar molecules and especially free ions within and around all living cells to oscillate on parallel planes and in phase with the applied polarized field. Such ionic forced-oscillations exert additive electrostatic forces on the sensors of cell membrane electro-sensitive ion channels, resulting in their irregular gating and consequent disruption of the cell's electrochemical balance. These features render man-made EMFs/EMR more bioactive than natural non-ionizing EMFs/EMR. This explains the increasing number of biological effects discovered during the past few decades to be induced by man-made EMFs, in contrast to natural EMFs in the terrestrial environment which have always been present throughout evolution, although human exposure to the latter ones is normally of significantly higher intensities/energy and longer durations. Thus, polarization seems to be a trigger that significantly increases the probability for the initiation of biological/health effects.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26456585

    Preliminary study on the induction of sperm head abnormalities in mice, Mus musculus, exposed to radiofrequency radiations from global system for mobile communication base stations.
    Spoiler:
    Abstract

    The exposure of male mice to radiofrequency radiations from mobile phone (GSM) base stations at a workplace complex and residential quarters caused 39.78 and 46.03%, respectively, in sperm head abnormalities compared to 2.13% in control group. Statistical analysis of sperm head abnormality score showed that there was a significant (p < 0.05) difference in occurrence of sperm head abnormalities in test animals. The major abnormalities observed were knobbed hook, pin-head and banana-shaped sperm head. The occurrence of the sperm head abnormalities was also found to be dose dependent. The implications of the observed increase occurrence of sperm head abnormalities on the reproductive health of humans living in close proximity to GSM base stations were discussed.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19816647

    A review of the ecological effects of radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (RF-EMF)
    Spoiler:
    Abstract
    Objective

    This article presents a systematic review of published scientific studies on the potential ecological effects of radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (RF-EMF) in the range of 10 MHz to 3.6 GHz (from amplitude modulation, AM, to lower band microwave, MW, EMF).
    Methods

    Publications in English were searched in ISI Web of Knowledge and Scholar Google with no restriction on publication date. Five species groups were identified: birds, insects, other vertebrates, other organisms, and plants. Not only clear ecological articles, such as field studies, were taken into consideration, but also biological articles on laboratory studies investigating the effects of RF-EMF with biological endpoints such as fertility, reproduction, behaviour and development, which have a clear ecological significance, were also included.
    Results

    Information was collected from 113 studies from original peer-reviewed publications or from relevant existing reviews. A limited amount of ecological field studies was identified. The majority of the studies were conducted in a laboratory setting on birds (embryos or eggs), small rodents and plants. In 65% of the studies, ecological effects of RF-EMF (50% of the animal studies and about 75% of the plant studies) were found both at high as well as at low dosages. No clear dose–effect relationship could be discerned. Studies finding an effect applied higher durations of exposure and focused more on the GSM frequency ranges.
    Conclusions

    In about two third of the reviewed studies ecological effects of RF-EMF was reported at high as well as at low dosages. The very low dosages are compatible with real field situations, and could be found under environmental conditions. However, a lack of standardisation and a limited number of observations limit the possibility of generalising results from an organism to an ecosystem level. We propose in future studies to conduct more repetitions of observations and explicitly use the available standards for reporting RF-EMF relevant physical parameters in both laboratory and field studies.
    Highlights

    ► Scientific literature was screened for articles on ecological effects of RF-EMF. ► RF-EMF had a significant effect on birds, insects, other vertebrates, other organisms and plants in 70% of the studies. ► Development and reproduction of birds and insects are the most strongly affected endpoints. ► There is a lack of field - and ecological studies on populations and the interaction of species. ► There is an urgent need for repetitions of studies finding effects and investigations into effects on ecosystems.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60412012002334

    EUROPAEM EMF Guideline 2016 for the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of EMF-related health problems and illnesses.
    Spoiler:
    Abstract

    Chronic diseases and illnesses associated with non-specific symptoms are on the rise. In addition to chronic stress in social and work environments, physical and chemical exposures at home, at work, and during leisure activities are causal or contributing environmental stressors that deserve attention by the general practitioner as well as by all other members of the health care community. It seems necessary now to take "new exposures" like electromagnetic fields (EMF) into account. Physicians are increasingly confronted with health problems from unidentified causes. Studies, empirical observations, and patient reports clearly indicate interactions between EMF exposure and health problems. Individual susceptibility and environmental factors are frequently neglected. New wireless technologies and applications have been introduced without any certainty about their health effects, raising new challenges for medicine and society. For instance, the issue of so-called non-thermal effects and potential long-term effects of low-dose exposure were scarcely investigated prior to the introduction of these technologies. Common electromagnetic field or EMF sources: Radio-frequency radiation (RF) (3 MHz to 300 GHz) is emitted from radio and TV broadcast antennas, Wi-Fi access points, routers, and clients (e.g. smartphones, tablets), cordless and mobile phones including their base stations, and Bluetooth devices. Extremely low frequency electric (ELF EF) and magnetic fields (ELF MF) (3 Hz to 3 kHz) are emitted from electrical wiring, lamps, and appliances. Very low frequency electric (VLF EF) and magnetic fields (VLF MF) (3 kHz to 3 MHz) are emitted, due to harmonic voltage and current distortions, from electrical wiring, lamps (e.g. compact fluorescent lamps), and electronic devices. On the one hand, there is strong evidence that long-term exposure to certain EMFs is a risk factor for diseases such as certain cancers, Alzheimer's disease, and male infertility. On the other hand, the emerging electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS) is more and more recognized by health authorities, disability administrators and case workers, politicians, as well as courts of law. We recommend treating EHS clinically as part of the group of chronic multisystem illnesses (CMI), but still recognizing that the underlying cause remains the environment. In the beginning, EHS symptoms occur only occasionally, but over time they may increase in frequency and severity. Common EHS symptoms include headaches, concentration difficulties, sleep problems, depression, a lack of energy, fatigue, and flu-like symptoms. A comprehensive medical history, which should include all symptoms and their occurrences in spatial and temporal terms and in the context of EMF exposures, is the key to making the diagnosis. The EMF exposure is usually assessed by EMF measurements at home and at work. Certain types of EMF exposure can be assessed by asking about common EMF sources. It is very important to take the individual susceptibility into account. The primary method of treatment should mainly focus on the prevention or reduction of EMF exposure, that is, reducing or eliminating all sources of high EMF exposure at home and at the workplace. The reduction of EMF exposure should also be extended to public spaces such as schools, hospitals, public transport, and libraries to enable persons with EHS an unhindered use (accessibility measure). If a detrimental EMF exposure is reduced sufficiently, the body has a chance to recover and EHS symptoms will be reduced or even disappear. Many examples have shown that such measures can prove effective. To increase the effectiveness of the treatment, the broad range of other environmental factors that contribute to the total body burden should also be addressed. Anything that supports homeostasis will increase a person's resilience against disease and thus against the adverse effects of EMF exposure. There is increasing evidence that EMF exposure has a major impact on the oxidative and nitrosative regulation capacity in affected individuals. This concept also may explain why the level of susceptibility to EMF can change and why the range of symptoms reported in the context of EMF exposures is so large. Based on our current understanding, a treatment approach that minimizes the adverse effects of peroxynitrite - as has been increasingly used in the treatment of multisystem illnesses - works best. This EMF Guideline gives an overview of the current knowledge regarding EMF-related health risks and provides recommendations for the diagnosis, treatment and accessibility measures of EHS to improve and restore individual health outcomes as well as for the development of strategies for prevention.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27454111

    Ειδικότερα για το 5G, όπου πλέον αγγίζουμε millimeterwaves, από εδώ:


    Comparing DNA damage induced by mobile telephony and other types of man-made electromagnetic fields. (2019) Dimitri Panagopoulos. Mutation Research/Reviews in Mutation Research. March 2019. https://www.researchgate.net/publica...agnetic_Fields

    5G: Great risk for EU, U.S. and International Health! Compelling Evidence for Eight Distinct Types of Great Harm Caused by Electromagnetic Field (EMF) Exposures and the Mechanism that Causes Them. Martin Pall PhD. 2018. Book published online with scientific references. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29655646

    LiFi is a paradigm-shifting 5G technology. (2018) Haas H. Reviews in Physics. Vol 3. November 2018. Pg 26-31. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...05428317300151

    Systematic Derivation of Safety Limits for Time-Varying 5G Radiofrequency Exposure Based on Analytical Models and Thermal Dose. (2018) Neufeld E and Kuster N. Health Phys. 2018 Sep 21. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...D+THERMAL+DOSE

    Towards 5G communication systems: Are there health implications? (2018) Di Ciaula A. Int J Hyg Environ Health. 2018 Apr;221(3):367-375. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29402696

    Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health. (2018). Martin L Pall. Environmental Research. Volume 164. July 2018. Pages 405-416. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...13935118300355

    5G wireless telecommunications expansion: Public health and environmental implications. (2018) Russell CL. Environ Res. 2018 Apr 11. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29655646

    The human skin as a sub-THz receiver – Does 5G pose a danger to it or not?(2018) Betzalel N et al. Environ Res. 2018 May;163:208-216. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29459303

    Frequency of the resonance of the human sweat duct in a normal mode of operation. (2018) Tripathi SR et AL. . Biomed Opt Express. 2018 Feb 23;9(3):1301-1308. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29541522

    The distinguishing effects of low intensity electromagnetic radiation of different extremely high frequencies on Enterococcus hirae: growth rate inhibition and scanning electron microscopy analysis. (2017) Hovnanyan K et al. Lett Appl Microbiol. 2017. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28609553

    Effect of acute millimeter wave exposure on dopamine metabolism of NGF-treated PC12 cells. (2017) Haas AJ et al. J Radiat Res. 2017 Feb 24:1-7. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28339776

    Rural Macrocell Path Loss Models for Millimeter Wave Wireless Communications. (2017) MacCartney GR et al. IEEE Journal . Volume: 35, Issue: 7, July 2017. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract...96?reload=true

    Human Exposure to RF Fields in 5G Downlink. (2017) Nasim I and Kim S. Department of Electrical Engineering. Georgia Southern University. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1711.03683.pdf

    Effects of 60-GHz millimeter waves on neurite outgrowth in PC12 cells using high-content screening. (2016) Haas AJ et al. Neurosci Lett. 2016 Apr 8;618:58-65. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26921450


    Millimeter waves or extremely high frequency electromagnetic fields in the environment: what are their effects on bacteria? (2016) Soghomonyan D, Trchounian K, Trchounian A Appl Microbiol Biotechnol. 100(11):4761-71. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2...?dopt=Abstract

    5G: The Convergence of Wireless Communications. (2015) Chávez-Santiago et al. Wirel Pers Commun. 83: 1617–1642. doi: 10.1007/s11277-015-2467-2 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4821549/

    Will Millimeter Waves Maximize 5G Wireless? (2015) Larry Greenemeier. Scientific America. Jun 23, 2015 https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...e-5g-wireless/

    Safe for Generations to Come. (2015) Wu T et al. (2015) IEEE Microw Mag. 16(2): 65–84. doi: 10.1109/MMM.2014.2377587 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4629874/

    “The Human Body and Millimeter-Wave Wireless Communication Systems: Interactions and Implications,” (2015). Accepted in 2015 IEEE International Conference on Communications (ICC), NYU WIRELESS. (Wu et al., 2015A) Wu T, Rappaport TS, Collins CM, 2015 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.05944.pdf

    Millimeter wave promotes the synthesis of extracellular matrix and the proliferation of chondrocyte by regulating the voltage-gated K+ channel. (2014) Li X et al. J Bone Miner Metab. 2014 Jul;32(4):367-77. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24202060

    Effects of millimeter wave irradiation and equivalent thermal heating on the activity of individual neurons in the leech ganglion. (2014) Romanenko S et al. J Neurophysiol. 112(10): 2423–2431. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4233276/

    Transcriptome Analysis Reveals the Contribution of Thermal and the Specific Effects in Cellular Response to Millimeter Wave Exposure. (2014) Habauzit et al., PlosOne.Habauzit, D. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0109435

    State of knowledge on biological effects at 40–60 GHz. (2013) Dréan et al., Comptes Rendus Physique, 14(5): 402-411 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...31070513000480

    Bactericidal effects of low-intensity extremely high frequency electromagnetic field: an overview with phenomenon, mechanisms, targets and consequences. (2013) Torgomyan and Trchounian. Crit Rev Microbiol. 39(1):102-11. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22667685

    Millimeter waves: acoustic and electromagnetic. (2013) Ziskin MC. Bioelectromagnetics. 2013 Jan;34(1):3-14. . https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22926874

    Whole-genome expression analysis in primary human keratinocyte cell cultures exposed to 60 GHz radiation.(2012) Le Quément C et al. Bioelectromagnetics. 2012 Feb;33(2):147-58. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21812010

    Antenna Concepts for Millimeter-Wave Automotive Radar Sensors. (2012) Menzel W, and Moebius A, 2012. Proceedings of the IEEE. 100(7). http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6165323/

    Millimeter-Wave Cellular Wireless Networks: Potentials and Challenges. (2012) Sundeep et al. Proceedings of the IEEE. 102(3). http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6732923/

    Complex permittivity of representative biological solutions in the 2-67 GHz range. (2012) Zhadobov M et al. Bioelectromagnetics. 2012 May;33(4):346-55. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22012893

    Modeling of reflectometric and ellipsometric spectra from the skin in the terahertz and submillimeter waves region. (2011) Ney and Abdulhalim. Biomed Opt. 16(6):067006. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21721827

    Effects of millimeter waves radiation on cell membrane – A brief review. (2010) Ramundo-Orlando A. Journal of Infrared, Millimeter, and Terahertz Waves. 2010; 31(12):1400–1411. https://link.springer.com/article/10...762-010-9731-z

    Protein changes in macrophages induced by plasma from rats exposed to 35 GHz millimeter waves. (2010) Sypniewska RK et al. Bioelectromagnetics. 2010 Dec;31(8):656-63. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20683908

    The Active Denial System: A Revolutionary, Non-lethal Weapon for Today’s Battlefield. (2009). Levine S. Center for Technology and National Security Policy National Defense University. National Defense University Press. http://ndupress.ndu.edu/Media/News/A...-for-todays-b/

    The response of giant phospholipid vesicles to millimeter waves radiation. (2009) Ramundo-Orlando et al. Biochimica et Biophysica Acta (BBA) – Biomembranes. 1788(7):1497–1507. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...05273609001175

    [Effects of millimeter wave on gene expression in human keratinocytes]. (2008) Chen et al. Zhejiang Da Xue Xue Bao Yi Xue Ban. 37(1):23-8. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18275115

    Human skin as arrays of helical antennas in the millimeter and submillimeter wave range. (2008) Feldman et al. Phys Rev Lett. 100(12):128102 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18517913

    Gene expression changes in the skin of rats induced by prolonged 35 GHz millimeter-wave exposure. (2008) Millenbaugh NJ et al. Radiat Res. 2008 Mar;169(3):288-300. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18302488

    [Thermoelastic excitation of acoustic waves in biological models under the effect of the high peak-power pulsed electromagnetic radiation of extremely high frequency]. (2007) Gapeev AB et al. Biofizika. 2007 Nov-Dec;52(6):1087-92. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18225661

    Comparison of blood pressure and thermal responses in rats exposed to millimeter wave energy or environmental heat. (2006) Millenbaugh et al., Shock. 25(6):625-32. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16721271

    Low-Intensity Electromagnetic Millimeter Waves for Pain Therapy.(2006) Taras et al. Evid Based Complement Alternat Med. 3(2): 201–207. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1475937/

    [The study of the mechanisms of formation of reactive oxygen species in aqueous solutions on exposure to high peak-power pulsed electromagnetic radiation of extremely high frequencies]. (2005) Gugkova OIu. Biofizika. 2005 Sep-Oct;50(5):773-9. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16248149

    [Indirect and repeated electromagnetic irradiation of extremely high freguency of bacteria Escherichia coli]. (2005) Isakhanian and Trchunian Biofizika. 50(4):689-92. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16212062

    Effect of millimeter waves on natural killer cell activation. (2005) Makar et al., Bioelectromagnetics. 26(1):10-9. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15605409 DOI: 10.1002/bem.20046

    Effects of low-intensity ultrahigh frequency electromagnetic radiation on inflammatory processes. (2004) Lushnikov et al., Bull Exp Biol Med. 137(4):364-6. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15452603

    [A comparison of the effects of millimeter and centimeter waves on tumor necrosis factor production in mouse cells]. (2004) Sinotova OA et al. Biofizika. 2004 May-Jun;49(3):545-50. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15327216

    [Effects of low-intensity extremely high frequency electromagnetic radiation on chromatin structure of lymphoid cells in vivo and in vitro]. (2003) Gapeev et al. Radiats Biol Radioecol. (1):87-92. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12677665

    [Decrease in the intensity of the cellular immune response and nonspecific inflammation upon exposure to extremely high frequency electromagnetic radiation]. (2003) Lushnikov et al. Biofizika. 48(5):918-25. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14582420

    [Effects of extremely high-frequency electromagnetic radiation on the immune system and systemic regulation of homeostasis]. (2002) Lushnikov Radiats Biol Radioecol. 42(5):533-45. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12449822

    [Effect of millimeter waves on the immune system in mice with experimental tumors]. (2002) Novoselova EG et al. Biofizika. 2002 Sep-Oct;47(5):933-42. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12397969

    Reactions of keratinocytes to in vitro millimeter wave exposure. (2001) Szabo et al. Bioelectromagnetics. 22(5):358-64. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11424160

    Nonthermal effects of extremely high-frequency microwaves on chromatin conformation in cells in vitro—Dependence on physical, physiological, and genetic factors. (2000) Belyaev IY et al. IEEE Transactions on Microwave Theory and Techniques. 2000; 48(11):2172-2179. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/884211/

    Effects of Microwave and Millimeter Wave Radiation on the Eye. (2000) In: Klauenberg B.J., Miklavčič D. (eds) Radio Frequency Radiation Dosimetry and Its Relationship to the Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Fields. D’Andrea and Chalfin. NATO Science Series (Series 3: High Technology), vol 82. Springer, Dordrecht. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10...-011-4191-8_43

    Skin heating effects of millimeter- wave irradiation-Thermal modeling results. (2000) Nelson et al. IEEE Transactions on Microwave Theory and Techniques 48:2111-2120.. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/884202/

    Heating and pain sensation produced in human skin by millimeter waves: comparison to a simple thermal model. (2000) Walters et al., Health Physics 78:259- 267. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10688448

    Radio frequency radiation of millimeter wave length: potential occupational safety issues relating to surface heating. (2000) Ryan KL et al. Health Phys. 2000 Feb;78(2):170-81. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10647983

    Cardiovascular and thermal responses in rats during 94 GHz irradiation. (1999) Jauchem JR et al. Bioelectromagnetics. 1999;20(4):264-7. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10230940

    Current State and Implications of Research on Biological Effects of Millimeter Waves: A Review of the Literature. (1998) Andrei G. Pakhomov. Bioelectromagnetics 19:393–413 http://www.rife.org/otherresearch/millimeterwaves.html

    Effect of millimeter-band radiation of nonthermal intensity on the sensitivity of staphylococcus to various antibiotics.(1996) Bulgakova et al., Biofizika 41:1289-1293 (in Russian). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9044624

    Permittivities of fresh fruits and vegetables at 0.2 to 20 GHz.(1994) Nelson S et al. J Microw Power Electromagn Energy. 1994;29(2):81-93. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8083786

    Experimental studies on the influence of millimeter radiation on light transmission through the lens. (1994) Prost, M et al. Klin Oczna. 1994 Aug-Sep;96(8- 9):257-9. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7897988

    [Effect of extremely high-frequency electromagnetic radiation on the function of skin sensory endings]. (1992) Enin et al. Patol Fiziol Eksp Ter. Sep-Dec;(5-6):23-5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=1302819

    Effects of low-intensity electromagnetic radiation in the millimeter range on the cardio-vascular system of the white rat. (1992) Potekhina, et al. Fiziol Zh SSSR Im I M Sechenova. 1992 Jan;78(1):35-41 (in Russian). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1330714

    Absorption of millimeter waves by human beings and its biological implications. (1986) Gandhi and Riazi. IEEE Transactions on Microwave Theory and Techniques. MTT-34(2):228-235. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1133316/

    Biological Effects of Millimeter Wavelengths. (1977) Zalyubovskaya NP. Kiev Vrachebnoye Delo. No.3, 1977.pp116-119. Declassified in 2012. Declassified. Biological Effects of Millimeter Wavelengths. Zalyubovskaya-Declassif by CIA -1977 – biol eff mm waves

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    Αν σου βάλω εδώ πέρα μελέτες που να σου λένε πως σίγουρα ο ήλιος προκαλεί προβλήματα και όχι απλά may cause, η κοσμική ακτινοβολία το ίδιο, τι πρέπει να κάνουμε;

    Βάζεις πιο πάνω λίνκ για τα 20Ghz και 94Ghz! υποθέτω γιατί είχανε στον τίτλο κάπου το ράδιο
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    Αν σου βάλω εδώ πέρα μελέτες που να σου λένε πως σίγουρα ο ήλιος προκαλεί προβλήματα και όχι απλά may cause, η κοσμική ακτινοβολία το ίδιο, τι πρέπει να κάνουμε;

    Βάζεις πιο πάνω λίνκ για τα 20Ghz και 94Ghz! υποθέτω γιατί είχανε στον τίτλο κάπου το ράδιο
    Έχω βάλει ένα μεγάλο πλήθος peer reviewed ερευνών. Αλλά τι να μας πουν οι επιστήμονες. Εσύ ξέρεις καλύτερα.

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    Έχω βάλει ένα μεγάλο πλήθος peer reviewed ερευνών. Αλλά τι να μας πουν οι επιστήμονες. Εσύ ξέρεις καλύτερα.
    Ναι έχεις δίκαιο, τα 20Ghz και τα 94Ghz είναι σωστά λινκ, όπως φυσικά και όλες οι έρευνές του may cause,
    Δεν απάντησες όμως τι κάνουμε με τον ήλιο που δεν είναι may cause και την κοσμική ακτινοβολία;
    επιχειρήματα 4ου τύπου

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    Βγαίνουμε ίσως αρκετά offtopic αλλά για τον αντίλογο: https://www.ellinikahoaxes.gr/2019/0...ement-debunked

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    Ναι έχεις δίκαιο, τα 20Ghz και τα 94Ghz είναι σωστά λινκ, όπως φυσικά και όλες οι έρευνές του may cause,
    Δεν απάντησες όμως τι κάνουμε με τον ήλιο που δεν είναι may cause και την κοσμική ακτινοβολία;
    Αυτό το may cause που λες είναι ο τρόπος που λειτουργεί η επιστημονική μέθοδος και αυτό που σημαίνει είναι πως δεν πρέπει να προχωρήσει το deployment του 5G πριν γίνουν ενδελεχείς έρευνες.

    Το λένε και οι ερευνητές όπως αυτοί.

    5 G wireless telecommunications expansion: Public health and environmental implications

    Abstract

    The popularity, widespread use and increasing dependency on wireless technologies has spawned a telecommunications industrial revolution with increasing public exposure to broader and higher frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum to transmit data through a variety of devices and infrastructure. On the horizon, a new generation of even shorter high frequency 5G wavelengths is being proposed to power the Internet of Things (IoT). The IoT promises us convenient and easy lifestyles with a massive 5G interconnected telecommunications network, however, the expansion of broadband with shorter wavelength radiofrequency radiation highlights the concern that health and safety issues remain unknown. Controversy continues with regards to harm from current 2G, 3G and 4G wireless technologies. 5G technologies are far less studied for human or environmental effects.

    It is argued that the addition of this added high frequency 5G radiation to an already complex mix of lower frequencies, will contribute to a negative public health outcome both from both physical and mental health perspectives.

    Radiofrequency radiation (RF) is increasingly being recognized as a new form of environmental pollution. Like other common toxic exposures, the effects of radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation (RF EMR) will be problematic if not impossible to sort out epidemiologically as there no longer remains an unexposed control group. This is especially important considering these effects are likely magnified by synergistic toxic exposures and other common health risk behaviors. Effects can also be non-linear. Because this is the first generation to have cradle-to-grave lifespan exposure to this level of man-made microwave (RF EMR) radiofrequencies, it will be years or decades before the true health consequences are known. Precaution in the roll out of this new technology is strongly indicated.

    This article will review relevant electromagnetic frequencies, exposure standards and current scientific literature on the health implications of 2G, 3G, 4G exposure, including some of the available literature on 5G frequencies. The question of what constitutes a public health issue will be raised, as well as the need for a precautionary approach in advancing new wireless technologies.
    Αυτό ζητάν και οι επιστήμονες που υπογράφουν το 5G appeal.

    The Appeal primarily urge the EU to

    1) to take all reasonable measures to halt the 5G RF-EMF expansion until independent scientists can assure that 5G and the total radiation levels caused by RF-EMF (5G together with 2G, 3G, 4G, and WiFi) will not be harmful for EU-citizens, especially infants, children and pregnant women, as well as the environment.
    Τώρα εσύ μπορείς να συνεχίσεις να υποστηρίζεις πως μας ψεκάζουν.

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    Τώρα εσύ μπορείς να συνεχίσεις να υποστηρίζεις πως μας ψεκάζουν.
    Μάλλον κάτι τέτοιο πρέπει να γίνεται, ή να ισχύει το άλλο που δεν το είπε ο Αινσταιν


    Σε βλέπω όμως να μην πιάνεις τον ήλιο και την κοσμική ακτινοβολία καθόλου,

    https://www.who.int/uv/resources/fac...toomuchsun.pdf
    https://www.epa.gov/sunsafety/health...s-uv-radiation
    https://www.nature.com/scitable/blog...ers_of_the_sun

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    Μάλλον κάτι τέτοιο πρέπει να γίνεται, ή να ισχύει το άλλο που δεν το είπε ο Αινσταιν
    Το τελευταίο που γράφεις το μόνο σίγουρο.

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    Βγαίνουμε ίσως αρκετά offtopic αλλά για τον αντίλογο: https://www.ellinikahoaxes.gr/2019/0...ement-debunked
    Για ψευδοεπιστήμη θα πρέπει να κατηγορηθεί αυτός που έγραψε το παραπάνω. Ποια είναι τα credentials του "Στάμος Αρχοντής" για να παραβλέψει το πλήθος των ερευνών, μέρος που παρατέθηκε παραπάνω, και που μόνο consensus δεν αποδεικνύουν και πως είναι δυνατό αυτό να διαμορφώνεται από 4 (αν και παραθέτει 5 οι 2 είναι ίδιες) μόνο;

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