Ινδία: εκατομμύρια Μουσουλμάνοι μπορεί να γίνουν πρόσφυγες

[stel67]

@29gk, ομολογώ ότι με έβαλες σε σκέψεις.
Νομίζω ότι αν έγραφες κάτι σαν "Ινδοί και Πακιστανοί θα μπορούσαν να είναι αδέλφια, θα μπορούσαν να είναι ένα έθνος", θα ήταν καλύτερο, χωρίς να αλλοιώσει καθόλου το πνεύμα αυτών που γράφεις.

[29gk]

@29gk, ομολογώ ότι με έβαλες σε σκέψεις.
Νομίζω ότι αν έγραφες κάτι σαν "Ινδοί και Πακιστανοί θα μπορούσαν να είναι αδέλφια, θα μπορούσαν να είναι ένα έθνος", θα ήταν καλύτερο, χωρίς να αλλοιώσει καθόλου το πνεύμα αυτών που γράφεις.

Κοιτα να δεις και κατι ακομα, το οποιο ισως βοηθησει να κατανοησεις καλυτερα τη συλλογιστικη μου.

Ινδια και Πακισταν εχουν, περα απο την κουλτουρα, την ιστορια και τη φυλετικη συγγενεια με την εννοια της απλης γειτονειας και χωρις να μπαινουμε στα χωραφια των γενετιστων, και τις εξης συγχρονες ομοιοτητες οι οποιες καταληγουν περιεργως να αποτελουν και την αιτια των εντονων διαφορων και διαμαχης τους.

Εχουν λοιπον, υψηλου επιπεδου επιστημονικο προσωπικο, ειναι πυρηνικες δυναμεις οπως και διαστημικες, εχουν υπερπληθυσμο κατα τα δυτικα προτυπα εστω, μεγα αναλφαβητισμο και αμορφωσια παραλληλα με τα προηγουμενα, εντονη θρησκευτικη βαση, φεουδαρχικα και απολυταρχικα καθεστωτα και δομες και βρισκονται σε μια περιοχη πλουσια, πολυ πλουσια αλλα με εντονη ταυτοχρονη φτωχεια του πληθυσμου. Ασε που η ολη περιοχη ηταν παντοτε στο στοχαστρο αλλων δυναμεων, οπως της Κινας, των παλιων δυτικων αυτοκρατοριων, της Ιαπωνιας αλλα και του εντονου ανταγωνισμου των δυναμεων κατα τον ψυχρο πολεμο.

[chat1978]

Τα Πακιστάν έχει διαστημικό πρόγραμμα;

[29gk]

Από όσο γνωρίζω όχι, αλλά διαθέτει επιστημονικό δυναμικό ικανό.

[dante80]

Off Topic

Και αφηνω εξω και το αναχωμα που προσφερουν αυτες οι δυο χωρες στην κινεζικη επεκτατικοτητα διαχρονικα.

Να αναφερθεί πως την τελευταία δεκαετία το Πακιστάν έχει αλλάξει εντελώς στρατηγική και πλέον αποτελεί προγεφύρωμα της Κίνας. βλ CPEC, εξοπλιστικά κλπ.

Σχ. με διαστημικό πρόγραμμα του Πακιστάν, πάμε εδώ.

[famous-walker]

Ποια τελευταία δεκαετία; Από τον ψυχρό πόλεμο κρατάει η στενή σχέση Κίνας και Πακιστάν. Και η σύμπραξη τους έχει να κάνει σε σημαντικό βαθμό στην προσπάθεια τους να ισορροπήσουν σε σχέση με την Ινδία.

[dante80]

Ποια τελευταία δεκαετία; Από τον ψυχρό πόλεμο κρατάει η στενή σχέση Κίνας και Πακιστάν. Και η σύμπραξη τους έχει να κάνει σε σημαντικό βαθμό στην προσπάθεια τους να ισορροπήσουν σε σχέση με την Ινδία.

H λέξη προγεφύρωμα που χρησιμοποίησα είναι συγκεκριμένη. Και έχει να κάνει με την έξοδο των ΗΠΑ από το Πακιστάν.

[dante80]

[dante80]

καλά πάμε..

Pakistan suspends visas for Indians after deadly Kashmir attack on tourists
Pakistan has responded with tit-for-tat measures against India as tensions soared following a militant attack in Indian-administered Kashmir that killed 26 tourists.
Islamabad suspended all visas issued to Indian nationals under an exemption scheme with immediate effect, as well as expelling some of its neighbour's diplomats and closing its airspace to Indian flights.

Spoiler:

Indian police have named three of four suspected gunmen behind the attack, saying two are Pakistani citizens and a third is a local Kashmiri man. Pakistan denies Indian claims that it played a role in the shooting.

Tuesday's attack saw a group of gunmen fire on tourists near Pahalgam, a resort in the disputed Himalayan region.

Police in Indian-administered Kashmir say all three suspects named are members of the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). None of the men have commented on the allegations.

A statement from Pakistan's National Security Committee rubbished attempts to link the Pahalgam attack to Pakistan, saying there had been no credible investigation or verifiable evidence.

Earlier Prime Minister Narendra Modi vowed that "India will identify, track and punish every terrorist and their backers and we will pursue them to the ends of the Earth."

He said that the "terrorists behind the killings, along with their backers, will get a punishment bigger than they can imagine".

"Our enemies have dared to attack the country's soul... India's spirit will never be broken by terrorism."

On Wednesday evening Delhi announced a raft of diplomatic measures against Islamabad in light of the killings in Kashmir - one of them was shutting the Attari-Wagah border between the two countries immediately.

India also cancelled visa services to Pakistani nationals "with immediate effect".

In its response, Pakistan also rejected India's suspension of the Indus Water Treaty - a six-decade-old water sharing treaty between the neighbours - adding that any attempt to stop or divert the water "will be considered as an Act of War".

The country has closed its airspace to all Indian-owned or Indian-operated airlines and suspended all trade with India.

It has also reduced the number of diplomats in the Indian High Commission in Islamabad to 30 and asked Indian defence, naval and air advisers to leave Pakistan before 30 April.

About 1,500 people across Kashmir have been detained for questioning in connection with the attack, police sources have told BBC News.

Schools, business and shops are reopening after a shutdown across the region following the shootings.

Police have offered a reward of 2m rupees [$23,000; £17,600] for anyone offering information about any of the attackers.

Visitors from different states in India were killed, with others seriously injured, in one of the deadliest attacks in recent years in the region.

An Indian naval officer on honeymoon, a tourist guide who was the sole breadwinner for his family, and a businessman holidaying with his wife and children were among the victims.

An all-party meeting in Jammu and Kashmir expressed deep shock and anguish at what it called a "barbaric attack".

The bodies of victims arriving in their home states around India are being given emotional farewells by their families and loved ones.

Meanwhile, reports are coming in from parts of India of Kashmiri students facing harassment in the aftermath of the killings.

A spokesperson for Chief Minister Omar Abdullah's National Conference party said several videos showing students being harassed in colleges and other places were being circulated online.

Nasir Khuehami, head of the Jammu and Kashmir Students' Association, shared a video of a right-wing Hindu group threatening to physically assault Kashmiri Muslim students in the northern state of Uttarakhand to ensure they leave.

The BBC has not been able to independently verify any of these clips.

[xaris2335]

Δεν είδα αν έχει ήδη αναφερθεί αλλού στο forum.
To κυβερνών κόμμα της ομοσπονδιακής κυβέρνησης της Ινδίας προωθεί ένα νέο νόμο (Citizenship (Amendment) Act), το αποτέλεσμα της εφαρμογής του οποίο μπορεί να είναι ότι εκατομμύρια Ινδοί μουσουλμάνοι θα χάσουν την εθνικότητά τους επειδή δεν έχουν τα απαραίτητα έγγραφα. Έχει αναφερθεί από ανώτερα στελέχη του κόμματος ότι οι υπάλληλοι θα κληθούν να δείξουν ελαστικότητα σε Ινδουιστές, Βουδιστές, Χριστιανούς, Σιχ και άλλους (υποθέτω και άθεους), αλλά μηδέν ελαστικότητα στους Μουσουλμάνους. Το αποτέλεσμα θα είναι ότι πολλά εκατομμύρια άνθρωποι θα οδηγηθούν στο δρόμο της προσφυγιάς ή στη χειρότερη περίπτωση σε στρατόπεδα συγκέντρωσης που ήδη χτίζονται σε διάφορες πολιτείες.

Στην πολιτεία Assam όπου έγινε ήδη το συγκεκριμένο μητρώο, 2 εκατομμύρια άνθρωποι των οποίων οι πρόγονοι έμειναν εκεί μετά το διαχωρισμό της Ινδίας από το Πακιστάν (άρα είναι νόμιμοι Ινδοί πολίτες αλλά δε μπορούν να το αποδείξουν), χαρακτηρίστηκαν παράνομοι και κινδυνεύουν να συλληφθούν ή να απελαθούν.
India: almost 2m people left off Assam register of citizens

Τι θα γίνουν όλοι αυτοί οι άνθρωποι; Η διεθνής κοινότητα δείχνει να ξυπνάει μπροστά στο ενδεχόμενο, αλλά δεν έχουν υπάρξει ακόμα πολύ έντονες αντιδράσεις.

Μερικές πιο πρόσφατες ειδήσεις κατά σειρά ημερομηνίας
https://www.firstpost.com/india/nrc-...s-5501561.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/14/a...hnk/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nt-act-indians
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/31/o...ngh/index.html
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ndias-muslims/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...itizenship-law
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/73104140.cms

ξέχασες να βάλεις λινκ απο το μεγαλύτερο πρακτορείο ειδήσεων που είναι το ρόιτερς.
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/

[PopManiac]

καλά πάμε..

Pakistan suspends visas for Indians after deadly Kashmir attack on tourists
Pakistan has responded with tit-for-tat measures against India as tensions soared following a militant attack in Indian-administered Kashmir that killed 26 tourists.
Islamabad suspended all visas issued to Indian nationals under an exemption scheme with immediate effect, as well as expelling some of its neighbour's diplomats and closing its airspace to Indian flights.

Spoiler:

Indian police have named three of four suspected gunmen behind the attack, saying two are Pakistani citizens and a third is a local Kashmiri man. Pakistan denies Indian claims that it played a role in the shooting.

Tuesday's attack saw a group of gunmen fire on tourists near Pahalgam, a resort in the disputed Himalayan region.

Police in Indian-administered Kashmir say all three suspects named are members of the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). None of the men have commented on the allegations.

A statement from Pakistan's National Security Committee rubbished attempts to link the Pahalgam attack to Pakistan, saying there had been no credible investigation or verifiable evidence.

Earlier Prime Minister Narendra Modi vowed that "India will identify, track and punish every terrorist and their backers and we will pursue them to the ends of the Earth."

He said that the "terrorists behind the killings, along with their backers, will get a punishment bigger than they can imagine".

"Our enemies have dared to attack the country's soul... India's spirit will never be broken by terrorism."

On Wednesday evening Delhi announced a raft of diplomatic measures against Islamabad in light of the killings in Kashmir - one of them was shutting the Attari-Wagah border between the two countries immediately.

India also cancelled visa services to Pakistani nationals "with immediate effect".

In its response, Pakistan also rejected India's suspension of the Indus Water Treaty - a six-decade-old water sharing treaty between the neighbours - adding that any attempt to stop or divert the water "will be considered as an Act of War".

The country has closed its airspace to all Indian-owned or Indian-operated airlines and suspended all trade with India.

It has also reduced the number of diplomats in the Indian High Commission in Islamabad to 30 and asked Indian defence, naval and air advisers to leave Pakistan before 30 April.

About 1,500 people across Kashmir have been detained for questioning in connection with the attack, police sources have told BBC News.

Schools, business and shops are reopening after a shutdown across the region following the shootings.

Police have offered a reward of 2m rupees [$23,000; £17,600] for anyone offering information about any of the attackers.

Visitors from different states in India were killed, with others seriously injured, in one of the deadliest attacks in recent years in the region.

An Indian naval officer on honeymoon, a tourist guide who was the sole breadwinner for his family, and a businessman holidaying with his wife and children were among the victims.

An all-party meeting in Jammu and Kashmir expressed deep shock and anguish at what it called a "barbaric attack".

The bodies of victims arriving in their home states around India are being given emotional farewells by their families and loved ones.

Meanwhile, reports are coming in from parts of India of Kashmiri students facing harassment in the aftermath of the killings.

A spokesperson for Chief Minister Omar Abdullah's National Conference party said several videos showing students being harassed in colleges and other places were being circulated online.

Nasir Khuehami, head of the Jammu and Kashmir Students' Association, shared a video of a right-wing Hindu group threatening to physically assault Kashmiri Muslim students in the northern state of Uttarakhand to ensure they leave.

The BBC has not been able to independently verify any of these clips.

Αυτό είναι.... last year σε όρους κλιμάκωσης, σήμερα έχουμε και ανταλλαγές πυρός μεταξύ στρατευμάτων.

Το όλο πράγμα κινείται πολύ γρήγορα και θυμίζω ότι τα πιο πιθανά σενάρια εδώ και δεκαετίες για πυρηνική ανάφλεξη είναι ανάμεσα στις δύο αυτές χώρες.

[dante80]

Ειδικότερα.

India, Pakistan trade gunfire as tensions rise over deadly Kashmir attack
Pakistan promises to defend sovereignty as India’s Modi pledges to hunt Pahalgam gunmen ‘to the ends of the Earth’.

Spoiler:

Indian and Pakistani forces have exchanged fire along the Line of Control (LOC) separating the two countries as the UN calls for “maximum restraint” amid warnings of a wider military escalation following the latest deadly attack in Kashmir’s Pahalgam town.

Kashmir has been divided between India and Pakistan since their independence in 1947, with both claiming the territory in full but governing separate portions of it, leading to lingering tensions that have devolved into violence over the years.

Indian army sources told Al Jazeera on Friday that the Pakistani side initiated the shooting. A government official in Pakistan-administered Kashmir also confirmed to the AFP news agency on Friday that troops exchanged fire, but did not say who started the exchange.

“There was no firing on the civilian population,” Syed Ashfaq Gilani, the Pakistani official, told AFP.

It was unclear which area along the LOC the exchange of fire took place in, but Al Jazeera’s Umar Mehraj, reporting from Indian-administered Kashmir, said two people were also wounded in a separate encounter in Bandipora.

On Tuesday, suspected rebels killed at least 26 people at a resort in Pahalgam, in the deadliest such attack in a quarter-century in Indian-administered Kashmir.

A statement issued in the name of The Resistance Front (TRF), which is believed to be an offshoot of the Pakistani-based Lashkar-e-Taiba armed group, claimed responsibility for the attack.

Indian police has offered a two-million-rupee ($23,500) reward for information leading to the arrest of the three suspects belonging to the group, a UN-designated “terrorist organisation”.

The deadly incident has since prompted a significant diplomatic spat between New Delhi and Islamabad, with India’s withdrawal from the Indus Waters Treaty, and Pakistan pausing a canal irrigation project and shutting its airspace to Indian airlines in retaliation to accusations that it was involved in the attack.

The tit-for-tat announcements took relations between the nuclear-armed neighbours, who have fought three wars, to the lowest level in years.

In an interview with Al Jazeera late on Thursday, Pakistani Defence Minister Khawaja Asif strongly denied the allegations of Islamabad’s involvement in the attack.

“Accusing Pakistan won’t solve the problem” of the Indian “occupation” in Kashmir, he said.

“The infiltration of some armed groups cannot be possible,” he added, citing that the LOC is heavily guarded.

On Friday, India’s army chief General Upendra Dwivedi is visiting Pahalgam to review the security arrangements in the area.

India‘s Prime Minister Narendra Modi had promised to hunt down the gunmen “to the ends of the Earth”.

Al Jazeera’s Mehraj, who is in Pahalgam, said security has been beefed up in the region since the deadly attack.

“Security agencies are also intensifying their crackdown on media outlets. Hundreds of people are being detained and are being questioned for their links to the attack,” he said.

“Residents are also wary that they will be caught in the crossfire,” Mehraj added.

Meanwhile, Shafqat Ali Khan, spokesman of Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry, has declared that the country is ready to retaliate if India infringes on its rights.

“Pakistan’s army remains fully capable and prepared to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity against any misadventure,” he said.

“The Pakistani nation remains committed to peace, but will never allow anyone to transgress its sovereignty, security, dignity and their inalienable rights,” Ali Khan added.

[lewton]

Από το πουθενά κλιμάκωση.

[dante80]

Από το πουθενά δεν το λες, τους τρώει ο κώλος τους σφόδρα και τους δύο μετά το Bakalot.
Μόνο λόγω covid την σκαπούλαραν.

[badweed]

Από το πουθενά κλιμάκωση.

αν ειχες μια υποθεση να κανεις , αντι για το πουθενα , ποια θα ηταν ;

Spoiler:

το πετυχες !